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Session Start: Sun Mar 12 20:37:39 2000
*** Now talking in #SpiritualPersistence
*** Topic is ' 2,4~ Tonight's 2,7Topic: 2,8"Prophecy" 2,9Sunday 2,11March 12 0,12at 9pm 2,13EST ~ 0,2Hosted by Rev. Dr. Randolph Becker & Elissa Bishop Becker (and Rikkity). URL: www.spiritualpersistence.com '

RevRandy. . . . .So, let's get started, shall we?
RevRandy. . . . .welcome to Spiritual Persistence
RevRandy. . . . .and before we begin our discussion, we always prepare the way with some simple words of invocation
RevRandy. . . . .please join in the spirit of these words
RevRandy. . . . .May we be connected to all things loving
RevRandy. . . . .Protected from all things evil
RevRandy. . . . .And guided in all ways gracious. Amen
Elissa. . . . .amen~
TF88. . . . .amen
bluelight. . . . .amen
JJJJmom. . . . .amen
fang. . . . .amen
Alan. . . . .amen
RevRandy. . . . .Well, as Garrison Keillor might say about Lake Wobegone, it has been quite a week around here
RevRandy. . . . .earlier in the week Rikkity said that we would be focusing on prophecy in honor of the Ides of March
RevRandy. . . . .you know
RevRandy. . . . .March 15th
Elissa. . . . .beware!
RevRandy. . . . .when Caesar will killed.....
RevRandy. . . . .was
Elissa. . . . .caesar will? hmmmm
RevRandy. . . . .time is irrelevant
TF88. . . . .good save Randy :)
Elissa. . . . .randy: 1
fang. . . . .how come it keeps marching across my face?
RevRandy. . . . .having been warned by a prophet (a seer) to "Beware the Ides of March"
RevRandy. . . . .and not, as I tried to say today "Beware using Tide with Starch"
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RevRandy. . . . .now fang and I will behave (sure, right)
* Elissa writes in her book: 1 demerit for randy and fang for insubordination and chicanery (what is that?)
fang. . . . .i will behave i promise
RevRandy. . . . .ohhhhhhh, no more chicanery
Elissa. . . . .ok then :)
fang. . . . .can i ask what ides???
RevRandy. . . . .ides - one of the measurements of time in the ancient roman world - the ides being the center of a month
RevRandy. . . . .and the nodes being the two quarter points of the month (7, 21)
fang. . . . .ooh ok ty
Elissa. . . . .randy knows everything
RevRandy. . . . .and that is probably more than anyone needs to know about the ides
Elissa. . . . .hi deni-face!
RevRandy. . . . .except that Caesar was (will be) warned not to go the senate that day ....
RevRandy. . . . .and in being there he met his fate
RevRandy. . . . .(hello fate, hello Caesar)
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Sharon. . . . . 12,11 Hello Deni! Welcome to #SpiritualPersistence!!
Sharon. . . . .u must have many on your notify list Elissa
Deni. . . . .hiiiiiiiiiii :)
Elissa. . . . .sharon shhhhhhhhhhhh
* Sharon zips her lip
Elissa. . . . .hiiiiii deni-face :)
Deni. . . . .hi sweet LIssa-pooh
RevRandy. . . . .anyway - that was all that Rikkity told us, and that sent Elissa scrambling into the Points to Ponder archives
RevRandy. . . . .for possible things to share
RevRandy. . . . .then today, Rikkity came back at us with more pith than we could probably handle - but we have it here to share
RevRandy. . . . .so, let's dive right into Prophesy (Y'all knew we were going to do that, right?)
JJJJmom. . . . .yes
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2"So, I foresee we will talk about prophecy. I think I will have three things to say.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2"1. In a web of probable realities, as long as the prophecy is related to some piece of central reality,
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2then it will come true somewhere in the web.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2If you hear something predicted and say, 'no way,' then it probably won't happen.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2But if it sounds at all possible then don't think it is wrong if it doesn't happen in your present perceptual reality.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Hey, if it's in your field it is still true.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Ok.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Like I say I am going to hit a triple into right field but I hit one into left.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Still in your field, ha. Not at all coming from left field.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2So, that's 1.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Prophecy must relate to your field, but not necessarily your current perspective. Ok...
bluelight. . . . .ok
bluelight. . . . .;D
Elissa. . . . .ok, here's my first question for you: what does the word "prophecy" mean to you?
RevRandy. . . . .I knew you were going to ask that
JJJJmom. . . . .prediction of the future?
bluelight. . . . .fortelling something
Alan. . . . .lol, that is when I open my mouth and words I never intended to say come out.
Elissa. . . . .lol
Elissa. . . . .anyone else?
Alan. . . . .words I never even knew to say
TF88. . . . .I tend to think of it being more of a global event being foretold
Elissa. . . . .so it would mean "inspired" to you alan?
Alan. . . . .or very confused
Elissa. . . . .ok tf, not personal
TF88. . . . .right
TF88. . . . .as in, may or may not directly influence my particular life
Deni. . . . .or the influence of divine guidance (dictionary definition)
RevRandy. . . . .interesting to note that it is a word of recent origin, from the Old French at the earliest, and Middle English,
RevRandy. . . . .and would have been something else back in the old days ....
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RevRandy. . . . .so I would say "great sight"
Elissa. . . . .ok good. guidance, inspiration, confusion, global foretelling, prediction of the future
Elissa. . . . .so it seems we're talking about a wider perception of realities?

RevRandy. . . . .sounds good
RevRandy. . . . .wider perception .....
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RevRandy. . . . .but is it of realities ???
mikelee. . . . .hello
lostmom. . . . .hello
RevRandy. . . . .hi - welcome to our discussion of prophecy
RevRandy. . . . .or of possibilities
RevRandy. . . . .is it saying what is seen as becoming true, or what is seen as able to become true?
Elissa. . . . .and rikkity says that not everyone has the same perception of realities, so prophecy will not be true for everyone... does that make sense or do you see prophecy as seeing that which is "written in stone" so to speak
TF88. . . . .to me...not written in stone
Deni. . . . .makes sense ..perfect sense
RevRandy. . . . .(or the modern equivalent, fused in toner)
Alan. . . . .LOL
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RevRandy. . . . .this raises the usual problem with perceptions of prophecy -
Elissa. . . . .yet when we hear a prophecy don't we usually think of it as having to be either true or not for everyone... i know i do
RevRandy. . . . .that's the problem . yep
Deni. . . . .when I think of prophecy...I figure it will happen to anyone but me!!!
Deni. . . . .lol
Elissa. . . . .hahahaha
RevRandy. . . . .:-) deni
TF88. . . . .hahaha
Alan. . . . .Deni, do you mean to prophesy as an act or have prophecy apply to you??
Deni. . . . .I'm just generalizing Alan
bluelight. . . . .so many things can change the 'future' tho
RevRandy. . . . .but that is a problem --- if we don't feel it applies to us, we discount its meaning completely
bluelight. . . . .i like the idea of it being possibilities like RR said
Elissa. . . . .yes
TF88. . . . .randy, I'm not sure about the "completely" aspect of what you said.
RevRandy. . . . .and I also think we get caught up in the factoids too
RevRandy. . . . .I am completely sure of it .... not .... but I see this behavior - embrace or dismiss
bluelight. . . . .altho the prophesies that came true pretty much everyone sees historically that they did .. didnt' they?
Elissa. . . . .did they? has anyone asked everyone???
bluelight. . . . .{---- often doesnt' know of what she speaks :0 historically anyway
Elissa. . . . .blue knows more than she thinks... i think :)
RevRandy. . . . .it is hard to know what was prior prediction and what was historical fiction created to make predictions appear fulfilled
RevRandy. . . . .Let me be specific .....
RevRandy. . . . .the authors of the Hebrew scriptures put in some predictions about the lineage of anyone who would be acceptable as a Messiah
bluelight. . . . .??
RevRandy. . . . .so it should come as no surprise that the person eventually considered by many to be the Messiah would be of that family, because no one would recognise, much less accept, someone who was not
bluelight. . . . .never realized that ..
fang. . . . .i was getting ready to say they wouldn't just believe ?
RevRandy. . . . .history was built around the prediction
RevRandy. . . . .so of course it might have a greater likelihood of coming true.
Elissa. . . . .and yet most people at that time who claimed to know the messiah was coming rejected jesus... he was not what they expected to see/hear
RevRandy. . . . .didn't fit the profile (yes, there was religious profiling in those days ....)
fang. . . . .fang thinks there have been more than one, just not called that
bluelight. . . . .:0
RevRandy. . . . .fang, I think you are right -- and also that later parts of the story were changed by devotees to make the matching qualities look more like the predicted ones
Elissa. . . . .so randy how would those 2 things fit together?
Elissa. . . . .perhaps we're talking about different fields... different perceptions
RevRandy. . . . .but, back to the Point to Ponder section .....
RevRandy. . . . .and the concept that if it is in your field of being, a prophecy will seem, even if remote, a possibility
RevRandy. . . . .and if it seems totally alien, then maybe it belongs in someone else's field of being
RevRandy. . . . .and since no one can see all, we can't expect all prophecy to fit all beings
RevRandy. . . . .(And I would add it becomes a violation of the spirit of prophecy when the words spoke toward one field of being are then imposed on other fields of being)
RevRandy. . . . .Prophecy, to me, is an invitation to the future, not an imposition of a future
Deni. . . . .huh?
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lostmom. . . . .so are you saying that if we believe in prophecy then it will be that of which we "ones self" is comfortable with
RevRandy. . . . .at least open to
lostmom. . . . .what if the only feeling we arrive to is fear?
Elissa. . . . .lostmom, fear will keep you from experiencing
RevRandy. . . . .maybe fear is a way of telling us that the prophecies we are getting are not for our field of being - we are fearful because they are alien
RevRandy. . . . .deni - still in a huh mode?
Deni. . . . .yeah a little bit
Deni. . . . .(And I would add it become a violation of the spirit of prophecy when the words spoke toward one field of being are then imposed on other fields of being)
Deni. . . . .thats my huh?
RevRandy. . . . .OK - and Rikkity gets to this in her next section
RevRandy. . . . .what is prophetic for me is for me, not necessarily for you -- and if I make you adhere to predictions about my future, that is a violation of you
Deni. . . . .there is no way for you to make anyone adhere to predictions
RevRandy. . . . .deni - that's what the Crusades tried to do .... and many other movements (Jim Jones, etc)
Deni. . . . .that was persuasion by and acceptance..but it doesn't always work that way
Deni. . . . .I hear what your saying
Kerry. . . . .what's going on? what's everyone talking about?
RevRandy. . . . .we are talking about prophecy, and I am about to introduce another section from Rikkity - ready for it?
Elissa. . . . .yep
lostmom. . . . .why not!
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2"2. Many prophecies, once they are in your field, become self-fulfilling.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Why.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Because you look for signs and signals and unconsciously shape choices in their direction,
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2and also because you stop looking for further outcomes once the predicted occurs.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2So maybe the prophecy is only a minor step, but you take it as a total omen. And...
Deni. . . . .:)
RevRandy. . . . ..... and that's all of #2 -
RevRandy. . . . .but I see a lot in there
Elissa. . . . .and how many of you can think of a self-fulfilling prophecy you have experienced or heard about and then focused on?
TF88. . . . .how about an example? might you come up with one?
RevRandy. . . . .OK - I will try
RevRandy. . . . .you see yourself as a lonely kind of person
RevRandy. . . . .and without much hope of making a connection of depth
RevRandy. . . . .but then someone tells you they see a future for you in which you find many meaningful connections and one very special relationship
RevRandy. . . . .so you begin to look for those beginning connections and become more relational
RevRandy. . . . .that's the first part .....
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RevRandy. . . . .but what if you decided the first person who took you seriously you didn't fit the bill, and made that the special relationship
RevRandy. . . . .even without a full sense it was
RevRandy. . . . .you might never get on to meet the one who is out there for you.
fang. . . . .fang's glad revrandy has hope, i'm resigned to being alone
Deni. . . . .fang..you are never alone
RevRandy. . . . .fang, I see a better future for you ....
fang. . . . .does it still have dogs in it? lol
Elissa. . . . .lol
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Elissa. . . . .how about the so-called earth changes and how so many people all of a sudden are noticing disasters everywhere they look?
Deni. . . . .Lissa....you know all the floods and weird weather in the Carolinas???? It happened even worse there back in the 50's
RevRandy. . . . .yep -
Elissa. . . . .that's exactly what i mean deni
fang. . . . .but back then didn't they not have dams and stuff
RevRandy. . . . .and for all the talk of war, there are fewer people involved in war as a percentage of the population than in most of history
fang. . . . .sorry lapse in behaving
Elissa. . . . .you're forgiven this time fang... i'm feeling generous :)
fang. . . . .ok i'm really trying
Elissa. . . . .back then they didn't have the instantaneous communication networks either... or the focus on disasters!!!
fang. . . . .if they hadn't built dams and levys maybe people wouldn't have homes in flood zones
bluelight. . . . .someone told me i would get well and i did .. i also set about trying to !
Elissa. . . . .good example blue!
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RevRandy. . . . .blue - you see, it was a combination of believing in possibilities and working toward realities
bluelight. . . . .yes but also i made the decision to get well i hadn't before
bluelight. . . . .decision is important
RevRandy. . . . .is prophecy the act of opening a door to a new vision of the possible or a description of the exact path of the future?
RevRandy. . . . .decision and acceptance are very related
TF88. . . . .yes blue, that's the "working toward realities"
bluelight. . . . .:) yes
journey. . . . .i believe it is opening the door
Deni. . . . .my idea of prophecy is someone who can get a large enough audience..simply makes a prediction that causes mass populous movement towards that prediction
RevRandy. . . . .I am afraid that such is often true ..
bluelight. . . . .hey Deni .. let's DO IT !!
Deni. . . . .hehehehe
bluelight. . . . .lol
RevRandy. . . . .hey, we can get on that band wagon too.
RevRandy. . . . .And I now predict that we have reached the mid-way point in this evening's discussion
RevRandy. . . . .which means
Elissa. . . . .blue and deni: prophets of the new millennium!
Elissa. . . . .open a new room lol
bluelight. . . . .:DD
journey. . . . .my idea of prophecy is that (we all prophecy)..sometimes we can stand back as an observer for others and point out choices they have not considered..in my humble opinion
fang. . . . .kind of like the woman who channeled mother mary
RevRandy. . . . .journey - I like it
bluelight. . . . .really E?
Elissa. . . . .ooo journey i like that and a lot of it IS about seeing possibilities that others cannot
TF88. . . . .but isn't pretty much what's going on with the "new age" prophecy? those who choose to are working toward fulfilling that prophecy.
bluelight. . . . .i like to think so TF
Elissa. . . . .some of it is, tf
RevRandy. . . . .break time!!!!!
RevRandy. . . . .so, informal talk time .... back in about 8.648230978 minutes
bluelight. . . . .we'll hold u to that RR
journey. . . . .i like your time table rev :)
RevRandy. . . . .ty
TF88. . . . .but it would be an imposition to think that that prophecy is appropriate for everyone, yes?
Elissa. . . . .ok bbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Elissa. . . . .yes tf, it doesn't work that way
Deni. . . . .I agree TF..how could one thought affect everyones life?
Deni. . . . .there is no way
journey. . . . .TF, i think to prophecy is divine, but the choices for the prophecy-er are their's
journey. . . . .or prophece-ee..bad at grammer lol
journey. . . . .boy do i love coming to this room! wish i could get here on time tho
TF88. . . . .but I think the point is how people choose to view the prophecy...it will not necessarily come "true" without people perceiving it as possible or choosing to include it in their thinking
TF88. . . . .(by the way, hi journey!)
journey. . . . .Hi Ho Tf..always glad to see you!
* TF88 is chuckling at "Hi Ho"
journey. . . . .(((hugs))))
journey. . . . .maybe i get water...TF always gets me thinking...and I love it!
TF88. . . . .LOL
bluelight. . . . .i agree journey .. fun to think huh
bluelight. . . . .i never thot of these things before having to do with prophecy!
bluelight. . . . .i thot it was hey guys this will happen and bingo it did and that was that
TF88. . . . .well, prophecy is a rather fancy word
bluelight. . . . .{--- blue believes anything/everything :0
TF88. . . . .always makes me think on a bigger scale than personal stuff
RevRandy. . . . .back to the word, prophecy, in the ancient days was related to "seeing", as in a seer - one who could see a larger picture
bluelight. . . . .yes RR do those 'seeings' pretty much come true .. for some?
journey. . . . .back again, thanks Rev and Elissa and hi to all, now i be quiet :)
RevRandy. . . . .it is not a matter of truth, blue, for me -- but of an wider field of possibility
RevRandy. . . . .and that field may become "true" for some, and not for others
bluelight. . . . .yes i c
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RevRandy. . . . .well, are we all back????
RevRandy. . . . .here's some more Rikkity
journey. . . . .yeah! and thanks Rikkity
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2"3. And this could be the hardest of all.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2The introduction of an idea into your system alters the system.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2And I will pose this in language for Dad.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2 1812: if someone said you could someday travel at 100 mph that would be a prediction.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2But the very notion made its reality possible, so by 1900 it was possible and trains could go that fast.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2It may take time, but that which is predictable is then possible--but not before.
RevRandy. . . . .let's deal with this part first
RevRandy. . . . .that prophecy may open up the actual possibility of a new activity
lostmom. . . . .but at the same time can it not be said that which is possible can be predictable?
RevRandy. . . . .can it?
journey. . . . .to me that is simply "thought".."word".."deed", time elapses but possible to some not all, who buys into it?
journey. . . . .those that create it
lostmom. . . . .EXACTLY!!!
Elissa. . . . .say more about that lostmom and journey?
lostmom. . . . .those who believe it not only can predict but can also create.
bluelight. . . . .but since all things r going on at same time .. it really isn't prophecy at all but tuning into information?
RevRandy. . . . .aha - picking up on signs already there?
journey. . . . .were it not said, the thought would not be considered
Elissa. . . . .tuning into what exists in the field
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journey. . . . .thinking on it brings the possibility and speaking it somehow makes it real
lostmom. . . . .I'm not sure that I believe that is fine tuning but the controlling of...
lostmom. . . . .If I can see then I can control it outcome
Elissa. . . . .how would you control it?
journey. . . . .always choices..but the thought begins it all
bluelight. . . . .so if it already exists how can anything b prophecy??
bluelight. . . . .{--- there she goes confusing herself again :0
lostmom. . . . .and me with her....
Elissa. . . . .o so you mean thoughts create realities?
journey. . . . .yes to me elissa
Elissa. . . . .ok i see what you mean
TF88. . . . .I think those thoughts will need to be acted upon for it to come to be
RevRandy. . . . .OK - how many of you have had an idea that you dismissed as being wonderful, but you said "someone else has already thought of it" only to hear later of someone claiming that same thought as brand new?
bluelight. . . . .I HAVE RR only i didn't dismiss mine
RevRandy. . . . .good for you, blue ...
bluelight. . . . .i have seen fashions come in before they came in .. in furniture curtains etc..
Elissa. . . . .i think so too tf
journey. . . . .my point is that it always begin with thought, and thought is divine
Elissa. . . . .but where does the perception or thought come from?
journey. . . . .there is no physicality associated with thought to me, it is energy
TF88. . . . .a little birdy E
Elissa. . . . .lol tf
RevRandy. . . . .the small, still voice within?
Elissa. . . . .or a big birdy!
TF88. . . . .lol
RevRandy. . . . .(splat)
journey. . . . .the Source
bluelight. . . . .in my case a dream
bluelight. . . . .couple o dreams
bluelight. . . . .which is the voice i guess
lostmom. . . . .but in todays world how can you be so sure that its your true thought and not made up of society
RevRandy. . . . .good question - how to distinguish between culture and new perceptions
journey. . . . .are dreams physical?
Elissa. . . . .yes journey, and if it comes from a source then it does not originate in the thought... it originates in the source, doesn't it?
journey. . . . .thought is Source, is one in my thinking
bluelight. . . . .of spirit i feel journey ..
lostmom. . . . .I hope are, I have too many good memories from dreams
bluelight. . . . .i'm lost
TF88. . . . .and of course, each of us has our own perspective of what "the source" is.
RevRandy. . . . .no, blue, you are here------}!
bluelight. . . . .always eventually i get lost in here lolol but i love it
fang. . . . .did you do no. 3 yet??
RevRandy. . . . .let's get back to #3
RevRandy. . . . .we have seen part of it ....
RevRandy. . . . .and now some more
Elissa. . . . .good question - how to distinguish between culture and new perceptions... can we get back to this? i missed that thread
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2And now we have many railroad prophecies.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2They call them timetables, but they are nothing more than prophecies of what will occur on any given day--more or less.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Once the field of being admits the possibility, then prophecy becomes predictive reality.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2And that's all I have to say about that.
RevRandy. . . . .Now, here is a new point
fang. . . . .fang wishes rev randy was closer to fang
RevRandy. . . . .oooo, why????
RevRandy. . . . .anyhoooo
Elissa. . . . .watch it fang lol
journey. . . . .lol
fang. . . . .would like it if you had church here that i could attend
journey. . . . .me too fang
RevRandy. . . . .ty
fang. . . . .hey have you thought about having a online congregation?
RevRandy. . . . .(now if my congregation didn't need me on Sunday mornings)
RevRandy. . . . ."Once the field of being admits the possibility, then prophecy becomes predictive reality"
lostmom. . . . .rev, you really lost me there
bluelight. . . . .but back to blue's revelation lol .. how can u prophesy what already happened?
bluelight. . . . .u're only REPORTING rn't u?
RevRandy. . . . .by revisionist history
RevRandy. . . . .but look at that line again -
bluelight. . . . .i thot i learned that in here
Elissa. . . . .maybe it's what rikkity calls "already but not yet"
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journey. . . . .all time is now, that is what i feel it means
RevRandy. . . . .once we decide that the prophecy has a potential in our field of being, then its become predictive of things included in that possibility
RevRandy. . . . .we have already begun to imagine, dream, choose, shape the stuff of the possibility into reality
bluelight. . . . .how's this.. prophesy is what is announced what already happened so that eventually it can b thot of as prophecy .. and accepted ..
RevRandy. . . . .blue - also remember that most of the great prophets of history only have their successful prophecies recorded in history
RevRandy. . . . .but wait, here's more Rikkity
bluelight. . . . .hmmmmm.. having to think some more
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2"Prophets are just people better tuned to the reality in which they exist,
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2so their visions are more likely to become realised.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Prophets are not connected to a higher plane, but more connected to this one...
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2and I mean this one--as in, the one in which a person is.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Actually, prophets are specialists because they can focus the probable 'here' without the interferences of 'there.'
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Wackos can't do that, and they then give off visions that are just wacky.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Their prophecies may be true, but not here.
RevRandy. . . . .Now this is an interesting twist on the usual thoughts
RevRandy. . . . .that it is not that prophets see things above us, but actually us here more deeply and clearly
journey. . . . .she is sooo deep, i love her
journey. . . . .keeps pushing you to think think
Elissa. . . . .:)
lostmom. . . . .then I guess what you are saying is that the possibility of all of us being a prophet in our own plane
Elissa. . . . .yes lostmom
fang. . . . .but don't they have better insight when they are on the other plane
lostmom. . . . .TWO POINTS FOR MOM!
RevRandy. . . . .(that was actually a three pointer)
RevRandy. . . . .insight into that plane maybe ....
lostmom. . . . .i like the way you keep score...
fang. . . . .wow i got demerits lol
Elissa. . . . .lol fang i'll erase those demerits for tonight
fang. . . . .ty very much
Elissa. . . . .yw... just send $1000 to po box... lol
fang. . . . .i have a hard time making the basket, too short
bluelight. . . . .fang .. we don't know what other plane ..
fang. . . . .the other plane where my parents are, and some of my dogs
Elissa. . . . .it's the awareness of where we are that enables the prophet to see where we're going... makes sense to me
journey. . . . .cuz connecting here with those in this plane is why we came?
bluelight. . . . .like lots of us here r on different planes ..
bluelight. . . . .Rickitty sooo cool ..
TF88. . . . .wait...you guys are losing me with your plane talk
lostmom. . . . .let me ask you this RR, what of other planes.. what is the possibility of reaching them?
TF88. . . . .what planes do you mean?
RevRandy. . . . .it's a big silver thing, with wings, ..... not, we are actually talking spiritual planes
RevRandy. . . . .if you want to be connected to all the possibilities of this existence, you have to be super-aware of here, now, not there, then
lostmom. . . . .But what if that is what you believe is your time, of both
TF88. . . . .rikkity means that those on THIS plane who prophesize see THIS plane more deeply, yes?
RevRandy. . . . .yes TF
Elissa. . . . .yes
journey. . . . .that's what i understood tf
TF88. . . . .ok...thanks
fang. . . . .wow i'm really going to be short on that one
bluelight. . . . .but if u're not aware of this plane like that then u r still here but on another plane of awareness ..that's what i meant TF
RevRandy. . . . .if you are always living for another plane, you will miss the one you're on (If you miss the plane I'm on, then you'll know....)
TF88. . . . .ahhh, Blue, ok
bluelight. . . . .RR also cool lol
Elissa. . . . .so prophets are also those who can see the possibilities inherent in present realities
Elissa. . . . .they're not limited to just seeing what already is
bluelight. . . . .yikes i mised my plane!!!!
fang. . . . .i missed the plane, i was at the train station lol
RevRandy. . . . .lol
fang. . . . .uh oh, i know 2 demerit
Elissa. . . . .lol
bluelight. . . . .lol fang
bluelight. . . . .wow i never knew there was so much to this!
RevRandy. . . . .fang, that's where you were when your ship came in too
fang. . . . .yep
TF88. . . . .and fang...it's YOUR choice :)
fang. . . . .but i was suppose to be on the titanic
Elissa. . . . .fang wants demerits, fang gets demerits lol
RevRandy. . . . .and there is more
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2But again, the test is: Does it become even a little possible in your thinking or is it just wacko.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2It could be possible in some people's thinking and wacko to others.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Aha. It has to do with your field... or his field, or her field or its field or our field or their field.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2You think the Jewish prophets made sense to the Canaanites. I don't theeenk so.
bluelight. . . . .and blue thot she knew Everything!!
RevRandy. . . . .here we come back to the point from before -
RevRandy. . . . .no universal prophets -
RevRandy. . . . .not yet, anyway
Elissa. . . . .no blue, randy is the one who knows everything
bluelight. . . . .LOL E b careful there
journey. . . . .Rev, to me that speaks to each personally as to where do you desire to be
RevRandy. . . . .it has the elements of both placement and desire, I think, journey
RevRandy. . . . .(She speaks the truth .... let her alone)
fang. . . . .i desire to get it
bluelight. . . . .{--- wacko
TF88. . . . .placement Randy?
Elissa. . . . .hahahaha
bluelight. . . . .hahah RR u so funny
Elissa. . . . .placement and desire? i'm lost now
TF88. . . . .isn't our placement of our own doing?
TF88. . . . .therefore our own desire?
RevRandy. . . . .placement - as in being in this time/place/being/plan -- and the desire to also see more
journey. . . . .:)
fang. . . . .i desire to see more,
RevRandy. . . . .aware of where we are and also aware of where we wish to go
Elissa. . . . .awareness is not the same as desire
fang. . . . .sorry that sounded bad lol
fang. . . . .i'm trying on the awareness
bluelight. . . . .but i thot the future didnt' exist :0
RevRandy. . . . .it has already happened
RevRandy. . . . .it is happening now
TF88. . . . .don't you remember?
RevRandy. . . . .it will happen soon
TF88. . . . .;)
bluelight. . . . .what i'm going to do has already happened.. uh huh .. yah sure
bluelight. . . . .hahaha TF
Elissa. . . . .already but not yet... we're not there yet so even if it exists already we don't know it yet
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RevRandy. . . . .in a field theory, yes, blue
Elissa. . . . .hey keep! you're late!
RevRandy. . . . .but your place in the field is not the place where those "future" events are
bluelight. . . . .E ..no U know all the answers
Elissa. . . . .i fake it blue lol
RevRandy. . . . .welcome keep
bluelight. . . . .lol E
Keep. . . . .Better late than never Elissa
Elissa. . . . .((((((keep))))))
Keep. . . . .Thank you Rev Randy
RevRandy. . . . .OK - for keep, our last little formal tidbit
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2"And it's not relative. If it were relative it would have some relation,
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2but we're talking separation of specific areas of field here.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2It is all part of one field, but not as we can know and understand yet.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2We still have separation because we still have gaps of understanding, and will until our entity is one with everything.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Hold the mustard." (3/12/2000)
RevRandy. . . . .Now, this is puzzling on the face of it
RevRandy. . . . .but let me see if I can unwrap it a bit
Elissa. . . . .don't make a mess now
bluelight. . . . .gee RR that's the one thing i understood i thot :0
Keep. . . . .gaps I have
RevRandy. . . . .prophecy will always seem specific, not universal, because we spiritually are not yet in full connection to all that is
RevRandy. . . . .as a mutual reality --- we are only a part now - moving toward wholeness.
journey. . . . .like..the veil is slowly being lifted?
RevRandy. . . . .yes, being lifted, appropriate to where we are in our understanding of our field of existence
RevRandy. . . . .(and yes, Elissa, I saved the paper)
TF88. . . . .as in looking through mesh
Elissa. . . . .i understood it to mean that we cannot see all the connections because there are gaps in our understanding
RevRandy. . . . .that too
lostmom. . . . .RR, once we reach this point of "full', where do we go then?
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RevRandy. . . . .when we reach that fullness in this level of being, we can then move into a spiritual entity of greater complexity ...
bluelight. . . . .that's the way i took it E
Elissa. . . . .hi jackie!
Jackie. . . . .Hi everyone
RevRandy. . . . .and in the infinite flow of all things, eventually complexity grows until we are part of a single entity which is one with all that is
RevRandy. . . . .hi Jackie
bluelight. . . . .hi jackie
lostmom. . . . .o.k. now i'm with you
RevRandy. . . . .we becoming fuller until there is no more that is other than we at a spiritual level, and then we move on
RevRandy. . . . .we become ....
RevRandy. . . . .(Revs brain is declining as the night goes on.....)
Elissa. . . . .so there really is separation in our perception... even though we 'know' that everything is connected. we don't always see how it is.
lostmom. . . . .as we ourselves see it...
journey. . . . .wonderful
RevRandy. . . . .right - we don't see the whole picture, even though the whole picture is there
Elissa. . . . .because WE are not yet whole!
lostmom. . . . .kind of like that forest and tree thing
Elissa. . . . .that's what made prophets like jesus so special... not that they were divine, but that they were whole and could see all the connections
RevRandy. . . . .and prophecy is an invitation to seeing more of the picture - invited by someone who has glimpsed a little more
lostmom. . . . .but what if you see this picture, where do we take it?
bluelight. . . . ."i c i c" said the little blind man :0
journey. . . . .i think we see it less the more we are emotionally involved..i wonder why a lot
bluelight. . . . .because we still a little wacko
Elissa. . . . .journey because the more emotionally involved we are, the more we need the outcome to be a certain way and the less open we are to all the possibilities... i think
journey. . . . .elissa i disagree about jesus being divine cuz i feel he was divine because he "could" see wholeness
Elissa. . . . .ok journey
Keep. . . . .and even if we understand we are all a part of "the" whole we wonder about some of the people we know and how they fit into the whole because of our emotional distance. Does that make sense?
Elissa. . . . .yes it does keep
Keep. . . . .thanks
lostmom. . . . .too much so!
RevRandy. . . . .I would not say divine as if he were and we are not - but yes in that we are all divine
TF88. . . . .emotional distance? or emotional attachment?
RevRandy. . . . .aren't they often the same thing, TF?
lostmom. . . . .it doesn't matter as long as there is emotion
Elissa. . . . .no
RevRandy. . . . .no, what?
Elissa. . . . .they aren't the same
Keep. . . . .emotional distance. I am thinking of someone that I can admire but is just very polite to me. Polite and seems to put up with me.
bluelight. . . . .maybe we shouldn't wonder about them .. cuz we r their 'them'
Keep. . . . .interesting blue.
Elissa. . . . .right blue :)
Elissa. . . . .those distorted mirrors, remember?
journey. . . . .that brings to mind the mirror blue
Elissa. . . . .haha
RevRandy. . . . .lol
lostmom. . . . .3 points for blue
journey. . . . .lol, that was powerful!
bluelight. . . . .;p
bluelight. . . . .haha lol
Elissa. . . . .ok, lostmom... you can be our point keeper :)
TF88. . . . .keep, to me that speaks of attachment
Keep. . . . .attachment?
TF88. . . . .but I feel detachment and distance are different
journey. . . . .emotion=both to me emotionally distant or emotionally attached, or emotionally frozen
bluelight. . . . .ok do u think when we wonder about others it keeps us from our awareness?
RevRandy. . . . .but any mode that means that we are wearing distorting lenses will prevent us from seeing clearly
Keep. . . . .In this case I wonder what she is seeing that I do not about myself.
bluelight. . . . .is that a yes RR?
lostmom. . . . .that just it blue, once you have wondered you must be aware
RevRandy. . . . .it can be - it means we frame ourselves in terms of them
Elissa. . . . .i think when we wonder about others in terms of our own perceptions of them it can help us understand ourselves
lostmom. . . . .true
bluelight. . . . .i feel it's getting lost and caught up in others
bluelight. . . . .aaah but what does blue know .. lol
RevRandy. . . . .it is one thing to turn to others to find yourself, and another to turn to others to find them, and maybe in the connection find some of yourself as well
Elissa. . . . .focusing on others can get us sidetracked, but understanding can foster awareness
Keep. . . . .very true RR
bluelight. . . . .yah..
bluelight. . . . .blue living life of monk.. needs to get caught up in others haha
journey. . . . .what is true emotion, good question for everyone i think
lostmom. . . . .My definition of emotion is simple...life itself
Elissa. . . . .true emotion, journey? what are your thoughts on that?
journey. . . . .but emotion is love, every emotion is about love or lack of love or desiring love.. life=love
journey. . . . .adjectives for love, many ways to say but still point is love
lostmom. . . . .can you tell me of one life that was given by Him without true love?
RevRandy. . . . .emotion - the expression of the essential spirit of a person (as experienced by that person)
bluelight. . . . .i don't understand lostmom ..
lostmom. . . . .journey asked if life=love
Elissa. . . . .energy is love, but we often distort it because of our lack of trust in ourselves
journey. . . . .is expression not love in motion?
lostmom. . . . .how can a life begin without divine love
bluelight. . . . .i agree lostmom
fang. . . . .fang thinks some parts are about love
bluelight. . . . .gee i thot we were talking about prophesy :0
Elissa. . . . .that was then, blue and this is now lol
bluelight. . . . .but but E then is now hehehe
RevRandy. . . . .if one believes in a loving goodness as the center of all creation, then all within the circle of creation must be an expression of that loving goodness
journey. . . . .i agree with that Rev
bluelight. . . . .YES RR so we don't have to worry about how people 'take' us etc. or.... am i wrong
RevRandy. . . . .yep blue
lostmom. . . . .we have gone from prophecy to our expectations of prophecy
Elissa. . . . .good question: what kinds of prophecy would you expect in the coming era?
fang. . . . .of world peace
RevRandy. . . . .I foresee prophecies .....
TF88. . . . .we're already working within the prophecy of the "information age"
journey. . . . .children being sorely affected
journey. . . . .but cuz they make us stand up and take notice
lostmom. . . . .sadly journey, I agree
RevRandy. . . . .....of a new understanding of our essential connectedness
lostmom. . . . .if there was ever a time for awareness..it is today
RevRandy. . . . .today - which is the dawn of tomorrow
bluelight. . . . .i predict that Rickitty will make it to B&N ..best reading list
RevRandy. . . . .OK!
Elissa. . . . .i like that one!
bluelight. . . . .{---- is AWARE!
RevRandy. . . . .and I predict it is now 11pm ET
journey. . . . .i'm in on rikkity, thank her
bluelight. . . . .so it's already happened
bluelight. . . . .and we'll just tune into it .. 'later'
Jackie. . . . .Best wishes for a great week. I'll be connected to you in my thoughts. Nite all.
RevRandy. . . . .nite
TF88. . . . .night Jackie
lostmom. . . . .O.K. guys, I'm new to this chat room, who is Rikkity? Don't you laugh either
Elissa. . . . .lostmom, rikkity is who these insights come from... our daughter who is now in spirit
Root. . . . .Good night all and thank you
Elissa. . . . .nite root :)
TF88. . . . .night everyone...light and love
fang. . . . .wow is everyone leaving?
lostmom. . . . .elissa...i didn't know
Elissa. . . . .thank you all for coming... this was a great discussion!
Elissa. . . . . 0,14!Elissa rainbow.mid 14,0 :o)
RevRandy. . . . .see you all next week ......
RevRandy. . . . .have a good one and a good seven
lostmom. . . . .I know I'll be back!!
Elissa. . . . .((((((lostmom))))))
Elissa. . . . .it was great having you here!
* Keep : Goodnight everyone!
RevRandy. . . . .night keep
journey. . . . .I would like to thank you Rev and Elissa for sharing so much with us all the time :)
Elissa. . . . .nite keep, glad you came
RevRandy. . . . .and welcome back next time lostmom
RevRandy. . . . .yw
Keep. . . . .Thanks, hope to catch you all next week
lostmom. . . . .thank you so much, you have no idea how found I feel after tonight
RevRandy. . . . .night all
Elissa. . . . .i'm so glad lostmom. you added a lot to tonight
lostmom. . . . .thank you, I needed this!!!!!!!!
Elissa. . . . .i'm going now, kiddies... stay and chat if you like. love you all!
fang. . . . .if you know of any churches here keep me in mind
journey. . . . .(((hugs to lostmom))))
bluelight. . . . .one more great nite of having to think :0
bluelight. . . . .sniff .. bye E
Elissa. . . . .:)
Session Close: Sun Mar 12 23:07:38 2000