03/05/2000 - TRUTH

Session Start: Sun Mar 05 21:01:44 2000
*** Now talking in #SpiritualPersistence
*** Topic is ' 2,4~ Tonight's 2,7Topic: 2,8"Truth" 2,9Sunday 2,11March 5 0,12at 9pm 2,13EST ~ 0,2Hosted by Rev. Dr. Randolph Becker & Elissa Bishop Becker (and Rikkity). URL: www.spiritualpersistence.com '

kath. . . . .(((Elissa)))
Elissa. . . . .((((((kath))))) i missed you sweetie!
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RevRandy. . . . .hello itz....
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itztwyla. . . . .hi rev hi all
RevRandy. . . . .and hello also to blarney
blarney. . . . .hi room
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RevRandy. . . . .hello mur
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RevRandy. . . . .hello TF
TF88. . . . .hello everyone
Elissa. . . . .hey tf :)
Elissa. . . . .hi mur and blarney
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Elissa. . . . .hi jem
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jem. . . . .hi elissa
RevRandy. . . . .hello jem and fang
Elissa. . . . .hey fang!
jem. . . . .hi rev randy
kath. . . . .:) hi fang, hi jem
fang. . . . .hi
RevRandy. . . . .now the music has ended (for those who can hear it)
RevRandy. . . . .let's get started
RevRandy. . . . .OK
RevRandy. . . . .?
kath. . . . .yes
Elissa. . . . .ok!
jem. . . . .ok
RevRandy. . . . .so, here we have gathered
RevRandy. . . . .from out of our own personal realities,
RevRandy. . . . .deciding to become part of this process,
RevRandy. . . . .of connection and inquiry
RevRandy. . . . .for this time
RevRandy. . . . .welcome!
RevRandy. . . . .It is good to be together!!
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Elissa. . . . .yes welcome :)
RevRandy. . . . .To explore some of life and death and meaning in a community
RevRandy. . . . .hello bka
bka. . . . .greetings all.
bka. . . . .smiles
kath. . . . .((((room))))
RevRandy. . . . .and before we start, we join the circle of this community
RevRandy. . . . .with some simple words of invocation
RevRandy. . . . .reaching out to the goodness of the universe
RevRandy. . . . .with our wishes for inclusion and protection
RevRandy. . . . .please join in the spirit of these words:
RevRandy. . . . .May we be connected to all things loving
RevRandy. . . . .Protected from all things evil
RevRandy. . . . .and Guided in all ways gracious. Blessed Be
bka. . . . .blessed be
Elissa. . . . .amen~
kath. . . . .Amen
TF88. . . . .peace
fang. . . . .amen
RevRandy. . . . .lots of familiar nicks here tonight - so I guess Elissa can put away the intro
Elissa. . . . .ok
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Elissa. . . . .hi blue :)
bluelight. . . . .hi Elissa RevRandy everyone :D
RevRandy. . . . .and tonight we are going to talk about .........
bka. . . . .truth!!!!!!!!!
RevRandy. . . . . Truth
Elissa. . . . .and ruth
RevRandy. . . . .or actually
RevRandy. . . . .turth
RevRandy. . . . .as I misspell it
kath. . . . .turth is good
bka. . . . .not to be confused with durth
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bka. . . . .or dirth
RevRandy. . . . .or mirth
bka. . . . .really? truth bears much to mirth
jem. . . . .truth is better than lies
RevRandy. . . . .and especially girth
bka. . . . .but not worth
fang. . . . .truth like in telling the ?
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RevRandy. . . . .hello everyone
Elissa. . . . .jem's got it... ok guys, that's all for tonight lol
kath. . . . .:O
TF88. . . . .was that an upper case "T" I saw? hehehe
RevRandy. . . . .it twas - TF - and that was a trick - and you spotted it
Elissa. . . . .oooo tf is too sharp
Cathyjo. . . . .(((Rev & roomies)))
Elissa. . . . .hey cathyjo thanks for the hug
Cathyjo. . . . .your welcome, elissa!
RevRandy. . . . .so, just to whet our appetite, here's a short PtoP to P
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2"There are many paths to understanding, but even the best is so poor.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2But keep on trying.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Remember, the truth embodies these systems; not that the systems hold the truth.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2They are like flashlights in the primordial soup of being.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2They are not the soup--and they definitely are not the being.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2By the way, the soup of being is not onion." (4/5/96 - Y#6)
RevRandy. . . . .ah - the wit from beyond
kath. . . . .but is there onion in the soup?
RevRandy. . . . .but even in this simple statement (hold the soup)
jem. . . . .not onion soup?
RevRandy. . . . .and definitely not onion soup from a Lipton mix
jem. . . . .good with sour cream
Elissa. . . . .flashlights in soup... what an image lol
fang. . . . .please don't talk about food ;)
RevRandy. . . . .very good, too good with sour cream
Cathyjo. . . . .cheese and croutons??
RevRandy. . . . .there is a very important gem (IMHO)
Elissa. . . . .you know it's so easy to say that there are many paths, but not so easy to live
kath. . . . .it has not been a chore for me elissa
kath. . . . .to see the other paths with respect, but i think some are just born that way
Elissa. . . . .kath that's wonderful... i often have to remind myself about that
kath. . . . .i think it was in my DNA
Elissa. . . . .:)
kath. . . . .just natural
bka. . . . .and the gem, RR?
RevRandy. . . . .truth embodies systems, not the systems hold the truth
RevRandy. . . . .if we mistake the vessel for the cargo, then we miss our ship coming in
bka. . . . .nice image rr
RevRandy. . . . .but all systems of thought like to see themselves as larger than the understandings they contain
kath. . . . .ego?
fang. . . . .my luck i'm at the airport when my ship comes in
RevRandy. . . . .LOL
TF88. . . . .lol
Elissa. . . . .lol fang
* Cathyjo thinks that's very funny...
kath. . . . .you and I will catch the next ship
jem. . . . .can't judge a cargo ship by the vessel
kath. . . . .but the cargo can be fun to explore
fang. . . . .sorry but i'll be quiet now ;0
RevRandy. . . . .yep - fun to explore what is in any system, as long as one knows that it is not the whole picture
Cathyjo. . . . .I think that sometimes it's the cargo that makes us stronger!
bka. . . . .my dog growled at that hooting laugh on the computer
RevRandy. . . . .that dog again
bka. . . . .smiles. yep
RevRandy. . . . .next we need to ring the doorbell
bka. . . . .oh no!!!!!!!!!!
jem. . . . .I think I like it here
bka. . . . .we're looking at hierarchies here
Elissa. . . . .jem i like you here too
kath. . . . .hierarchy is a dog?
jem. . . . .gosh tanks
bka. . . . .no, that's dakota, my lab
Elissa. . . . .hahahahaha
kath. . . . .((((bka)))
RevRandy. . . . .o dear ---- that's like the insomniac, dyslexic agnostic who stayed away all night wondering if there is a dog.
fang. . . . .tell him not to come to my house lol
jem. . . . .what happened to the system, did it break down?
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bka. . . . .nearly.
RevRandy. . . . .anyway
bka. . . . .back to hierarchies.
kath. . . . .no such
RevRandy. . . . .it is the old problem of closed circles of thought and open circles of possibility
Elissa. . . . .hi sharon!
RevRandy. . . . .hey sharon
Sharon. . . . .hi elissa
Sharon. . . . .hi randy!
Sharon. . . . .sorry to be late
Elissa. . . . .so no one has ever heard another point of view and thought 'wow, that is so weird' or 'they don't know anything' or 'huh' or 'duh' ???
kath. . . . .or they are so far below my exalted frame of mind
RevRandy. . . . .this is a very unruly group tonight
kath. . . . .yes
bka. . . . .how about instead of "truth embodies systems..." something like "truth subsumes many systems..."
RevRandy. . . . .subsumes?????
RevRandyembraces?
bka. . . . .yeah... sort of in a hierarchy relationship...
jem. . . . .how about truth and beauty, and beauty and truth
Elissa. . . . .beka you'll have to talk to rikkity about that
bka. . . . .oh, embraces... that's nice. well, i can't really... talk to her...
RevRandy. . . . .sure you can
RevRandy. . . . .ok - let's keep the primordial soup in mind and move on
bka. . . . .how about truth "is embodied" in many systems....
bka. . . . .i guess i just don't "get" embodies
RevRandy. . . . .keep your spoon - you will get it later
kath. . . . .yes bka
Elissa. . . . .embodies as in "incorporates," beka
bka. . . . .well, i'm a semanticist. and think in terms of general notions and specific.
RevRandy. . . . ."If you consider all the systems of thought to be subsets of one great thought,
RevRandy. . . . .then the portals to the thought are in the common questions, not in the subanswers.
RevRandy. . . . .People like to ask big questions but settle for little answers."
RevRandy. . . . .ok - beka - how's that
bka. . . . .like the notion of "dog" is higher in the hierarchy to 'lab, 'golden retriever', poodle, etc.
RevRandy. . . . .and cat is higher than dog
kath. . . . .:)
Elissa. . . . .not higher, but larger and more encompassing
kath. . . . .four cats equal one dog
Sharon. . . . .(((kath)))
Elissa. . . . .no way kath lol
jem. . . . .can I ask a big question?
RevRandy. . . . .sure
Elissa. . . . .yes jem!
jem. . . . .or maybe just a little one?
RevRandy. . . . .helllllooooooo Nixie
Elissa. . . . .hi nix
Nixie. . . . .Howdy all ;)
RevRandy. . . . .so, jem, the question
jem. . . . .ok, big question, what's the difference between a little question and a big question?
RevRandy. . . . .now that is a big question
jem. . . . .The size of the answer
RevRandy. . . . .yep
RevRandy. . . . .or the size of the answer you are willing to settle for
TF88. . . . .wouldn't it depend on the perspective of the questioner?
Elissa. . . . .ok little question: where's that wrench?
kath. . . . .Nix, its been like this since we started
Elissa. . . . .big question: who am i? what is life? who is god? etc.
jem. . . . .right, no answer is too small
bka. . . . .you mean tonight, kath?
kath. . . . .LOL
Elissa. . . . .it's kath's fault
kath. . . . .LOL
bka. . . . .it's dog's fault. where DID that Truth go?
Cathyjo. . . . .am getting confused!!
kath. . . . .laughing is the best
TF88. . . . .I would think a big question is one that the questioner will only be able to grasp part of the answer... does that make sense?
RevRandy. . . . .the same answer may be too small for some questions and too large for others
jem. . . . .dog is god, spelled backwards
kath. . . . .a big question is the one that matters at that moment
RevRandy. . . . .TF - I think you are right -
kath. . . . .one that experience
kath. . . . .happens
Elissa. . . . .answer is too small: god is a person, i am a physical body, my purpose in life is to be happy, jesus will save me, etc.
bka. . . . .and what would that 'ONE great thought' BE -- perhaps BEING itself?
RevRandy. . . . .I usually think in terms of quantitative versus qualitative questions
kath. . . . .and live
kath. . . . .be is good
jem. . . . .god is you and me
Cathyjo. . . . .wouldn't the size of the question depend on the amount of thought it produces??
jem. . . . .is reality real?
kath. . . . .how is rikkity?
RevRandy. . . . .rikkity is dancing around us right now
kath. . . . .i miss being present when she visits here
kath. . . . .yep
Elissa. . . . .rikkity is dancing :)
kath. . . . .LOL
kath. . . . .:)
Elissa. . . . .jem, your reality is by definition real for you
jem. . . . .Elissa, my reality isn't so real
RevRandy. . . . .so, let's remember what we were discussing
RevRandy. . . . ."If you consider all the systems of thought to be subsets of one great thought,
RevRandy. . . . .then the portals to the thought are in the common questions, not in the subanswers.
RevRandy. . . . .People like to ask big questions but settle for little answers."
RevRandy. . . . .I have an exercise for all of us
RevRandy. . . . .and it is not aerobic
Elissa. . . . .o good
fang. . . . .halleluia
RevRandy. . . . .I would like you to think about a really, really, really big question you have had
RevRandy. . . . .for which you have, at some time past, been willing to settle for what you know now is a little answer
fang. . . . .for example?
Cathyjo. . . . .{-----raises hand.... me....me... me...
RevRandy. . . . .for example - I used to ask the question "Is there meaning to life" and settle for a mechanistic, physical answer alone
Elissa. . . . .cathyjo is going to get a gold star before the night is out
RevRandy. . . . .yes - cathyjo
Cathyjo. . . . .what happens when we die??
RevRandy. . . . .and what answer did you settle for, Cathy
Cathyjo. . . . .no one can really answer that until their time, so therefore, I have to settle for the small answer until I can experience it for myself
jem. . . . .so, what's the answer, is there meaning to life?
jem. . . . .life has any meaning you want to give it
RevRandy. . . . .I keep finding more meaning whenever I am open to seeing my current answer as partial
jem. . . . .and there are no two meanings that are alike
fang. . . . .life can have many meanings can't it???
Sharon. . . . .sure fang
jem. . . . .sure can
RevRandy. . . . .it can -
Sharon. . . . .many probables
Elissa. . . . .it means what it means to you, fang
jem. . . . .you can turn it upside down and get a different meaning
RevRandy. . . . .hello JudithG
RevRandy. . . . .and in the theory of parallel realities, it is the sum of all the realities that holds the meaning, not just any one of them
TF88. . . . .except if you recall passing from previous lives, then you do have more info from which to draw an "answer"
TF88. . . . .instead of just waiting until this next passing
kath. . . . .my daughters life and death, the mystery of love and eternity and my place in this mystery of love and my love that connects me consciously to her. i live with what i can know at this point in time
kath. . . . .i can only know this experience
kath. . . . .i can remember vaguely
kath. . . . .and that gives me hope and strength
Cathyjo. . . . .but the answer still remains simple until we experience it, right??
RevRandy. . . . .yes - TF - we keep building - but it is amazing to me that those who bring the most to the discussion are also those who are most aware of how much is still left unanswered
* JudithG waves hello to everyone........
Elissa. . . . .but we are here to fulfill who we are, to discover our connections to and in the universe, and to learn and remember
kath. . . . .HI Judith
jem. . . . .hi Judith G
* Nixie runs over and gives JG big *smoochies* Hi Sweetie
Cathyjo. . . . .but as I discover more, I find there is more to discover
bka. . . . .smile
bka. . . . .curiously, nothing comes to mind, for your Question, RR.... I dunno that i've ever considered anything a truly big question
kath. . . . .frankly, i feel things, i cannot possibly Know, its like being incapacitated in some way. its there but...
fang. . . . .i find new discovery in every new puppy i whelp
kath. . . . .yeh, kittens for kath
bka. . . . .kath, what do you mean you feel things you can't possibly know....
kath. . . . .intuitively, the spirit knowing, that doesnt translate well for me
bka. . . . .what do you know intuitively?
kath. . . . .love
bka. . . . .know love intuitively?
kath. . . . .yes
RevRandy. . . . .onward and outward
kath. . . . .good plan Rev
bka. . . . .the big questions/little answers
RevRandy. . . . ."Humanity has stretched across hundreds of generations,
RevRandy. . . . .but most people look for meaning in one lifetime or one soul journey.
What one needs to do is not deny the answers but open up the questions and then,
RevRandy. . . . .in the immense chasm of questioning, drop in the vision of a larger answer.
RevRandy. . . . .Most won't get it but hey, that's not my problem--until they get here.
RevRandy. . . . .But each time the perspective is widened, some will see."
RevRandy. . . . .I am always humbled by this one
bka. . . . .chasm of questioning.... that is wonderful. invoking depth and the fear too
RevRandy. . . . .since it seems to be a human traits to suppose that we can get it all in one go-around
bka. . . . .because that's all we think/assume we have...
RevRandy. . . . .beka - I think questioning is about staring into the abyss of not-knowing -
RevRandy. . . . .and staring anyway
kath. . . . .the abyss of all knowing
bka. . . . .recognizing, honoring it
jem. . . . .don't fall in the abyss, stay back a few feet
Elissa. . . . ."What one needs to do is not deny the answers but open up the questions and then,
Elissa. . . . .in the immense chasm of questioning, drop in the vision of a larger answer."
Elissa. . . . .i love that... accept all the answers, but ask the bigger questions...
bka. . . . .that laaarger answer goes with Rikkity's earlier "one great thought..."
RevRandy. . . . .but how tightly we seem to like to grasp our partial understandings
RevRandy. . . . .even when we should be posing new questions
kath. . . . .it seems showing up is good
fang. . . . .hey i brought the bungee cords, lets all jump in ;)
Elissa. . . . .way to go fang!
Elissa. . . . .TL loves bungee cords... they loom large in his legend :)
Elissa. . . . .it's the questions that will lead us where we need to go, not the answers we settle for
bka. . . . .because answers bring a silencing, and a ceasing...
RevRandy. . . . .I am reminded of people who journey from point A to point B, along the same path all the time
RevRandy. . . . .and then are amazed when they hear about others who have chosen by asking to go off the beaten path
TF88. . . . .but are we truly settling, or are we pausing?
kath. . . . .yes, TF, sometimes the pause can refresh
Elissa. . . . .that depends, tf... are we resting or are we stuck?
Elissa. . . . .big difference developmentally
jem. . . . .from A to B is dull, try for C
TF88. . . . .yes, agreed E
RevRandy. . . . .is it possible to hold something as essentially true and still be open to questioning it at the same time?
RevRandy. . . . .blind faith as opposed to open faith
Cathyjo. . . . .to pause is to reflect, no??
RevRandy. . . . .and refresh .... the pause that refreshes
Elissa. . . . .if the pause does not turn into a lifelong one lol
kath. . . . .aren't we all going to the same place? eventually and whoever gets there first gets to help me
Cathyjo. . . . .lol
kath. . . . .wow, can't imagine that luck
bka. . . . .blind faith vs open faith. phew! faith which knows that it's partial .. .our best hunch
bka. . . . .at the moment
kath. . . . .pausing
Elissa. . . . .lol kath
fang. . . . .hey i'm big into pausing ;)
kath. . . . .visit me fang
RevRandy. . . . .kath - I think we have to remember that not only are most of us headed in the same direction, but we will only get there together, not separately
bka. . . . .because that togetherness is the nature of things?
Elissa. . . . .yes bka... knowledge that knows it doesn't know it all :)
RevRandy. . . . .this is not about individual fulfillment, but about an ability in our personal fulfillment to make new, more universal connections
bka. . . . .recognizing THAT as the Truth? the universal connections?
kath. . . . .yes, Rev, that is why i am here
jem. . . . .there are many paths and that's the truth
RevRandy. . . . .recognize that connections into larger systems is the path, not a truth in itself
kath. . . . .yes
bka. . . . .ok
Elissa. . . . .maybe that's one thing we do know... that everything is connected
* kath can know that on a deeper level
RevRandy. . . . .and that the way into what will be is toward more inclusive patterns, not more exclusive patterns
Elissa. . . . .but living that knowing and understanding all the dimensions of that field is a whole 'nother story
RevRandy. . . . .(or a partial 'nother story .... since we can't see the whole story now)
bka. . . . .so durned little of our people time is actually inclusive in that sense...
RevRandy. . . . .it seems that way to me, too, bka.
kath. . . . .not to mention the "little people"
fang. . . . .am i the only one that wishes i could see more of the picture?
RevRandy. . . . .I do too!!!!
* Elissa hands kath a leprechaun coloring book and 6 green crayons
bka. . . . .yeah. a public act of intimacy, it seems (really being inclusive deeply with others...)
kath. . . . .we can see more, we can see as much as we open to, like little green people
jem. . . . .it's not a picture, it's a jig saw puzzle
RevRandy. . . . .and I sense that that is what I am doing, - learning and remembering how to see more
Elissa. . . . .fang, that longing is what brought all of us here... along with the hope of getting a larger "glimpse"
kath. . . . .but the "remembering" is so close
RevRandy. . . . .to reach out and hug someone else physically and spiritually, fiercely and powerfully, and long
fang. . . . .oh ok ty
jem. . . . .nice thought
kath. . . . .to be open and vulnerable
kath. . . . .to give all
RevRandy. . . . .which is to be open jem. . . . .could be dangerous
kath. . . . .its being alive
RevRandy. . . . .all great things are essentially dangerous (to the status quo)
jem. . . . .well then, be careful
RevRandy. . . . .or not
Elissa. . . . .perhaps the more we are fulfilled, the more we are able to accept and trust ourselves, the more connections we can make, and the wider our vision, the closer we get to those glimpses
kath. . . . .maybe also the more we realize there is nothing to lose
Elissa. . . . .o yes kath
bka. . . . .or know that you're inherently whole in your being... and that is one's "safety" -- a grounded core.
kath. . . . .yes, E, i know u know
Elissa. . . . .we are always safe... we just don't always feel that way
bka. . . . .good point E.
jem. . . . .nothing to lose. I always have 8 more lives
Elissa. . . . .hey tayler!
Tayler. . . . .Peace everyone!
RevRandy. . . . .You have arrived just as we are about to take our infamous 10 at 10 (10 minute break at 10 pm ET)
RevRandy. . . . .so, keep on talking, or start on walking .. or whatever you need to do --- while we get a little (more) informal for 10
*** RevRandy is now known as RevRandybrb
*** Elissa is now known as Elissa_brb
kath. . . . .((((suwan))))
kath. . . . .hi
Nixie. . . . .~*|*~`~*|*~ Hello suwan ~*|*~`~*|*~
suwan. . . . .kewl snuck in while the rev and the boss aren't looking, they won't know I"m late!!!
kath. . . . .she'll notice
kath. . . . .lol
suwan. . . . .I know
suwan. . . . .:(
kath. . . . .but we'll keep quiet
RevRandybrb. . . . .hey suwan
suwan. . . . .hey Rev!
RevRandybrb. . . . .glad you are here
suwan. . . . .thanks, glad to be here!
* kath sends love to all ((((i love you all)))))) and says good night, sweet dreams
*** RevRandybrb is now known as RevRandy
RevRandy. . . . .welcome back everybody
* Cathyjo throws water balloons at nobody in particular !!! Duck!!!!
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RevRandy. . . . .hope you had a good break
RevRandy. . . . .o dear .... is it going to be like that
Cathyjo. . . . .sorry about that.... wrong button!!
*** Elissa_brb is now known as Elissa-Rikkity
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .hey guys!
RevRandy. . . . .hello Mooooo
TF88. . . . .hello rikkity :)
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .hey tf
Sharon. . . . .hi rikkity
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .hi sharon
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .it's good to be here, but i'll only stay a minute
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .i was dancing through the neighborhood and saw how swirly the energy here was...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .or was it my dancing that made it so swirly... ha
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .so here 's the deal... who has the truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .sharon has sharon's truth
Sharon. . . . .u betcha rikkity!
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .the preacher dude has preacher dude's truth,
RevRandy. . . . .I do?
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .cathyjo has cathyjo's truth
Cathyjo. . . . .thank you!
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .dancing leaves has dancing leaves's truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .fang has fang's truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .judithg has judith g's truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .nixie has nixie's truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .suwan has suwan's truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .tf has tf's truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .mommy has mommy's truth
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .i know everything...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .NOT lol
DancingLeaves. . . . .*G*
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .but seriously, folks, truth is all about from where you sit and are,
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .it's about your being and what calls you at your deepest core,
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .it's about the path you are on and not anyone else's,
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .it's about what it's about to you.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .we waste so much energy trying to convince others that we have the answers,
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .and when we do that we often find that we have invested so much in that process
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .that we build our own traps...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .we cannot move out of the structure, the fortress we have built
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .because to do that would be to admit defeat
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .(we think) and to negate all the energy
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .we have put into building that structure.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .crash through those walls!
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .blow it all to bits!
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .we have no need of it, for it imprisons
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .our souls and enslaves our hearts.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .keep the doors open...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .rest inside in the coolness of protection for a while
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .if you must,
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .but remember it is a choice...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .that choice to rest is one that you can make
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .consciously and with awareness
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .if you understand that those walls are of your own doing...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .move out of them, move back into them...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .move forward and backward and around and through
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .and do-si-do your partner,
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .but always remember it is your choice.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .when it ceases to become... or when you do not recognize it
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .as your own choice, you will find yourself
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .mired in your own life.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .at those times, ask yourself what is holding you back and then
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .move anyway.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .any way.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .movement is always preferable to stuckness...
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .yes, so i made that word up.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .and now i go with love
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .and with eternal and perpetual and o so spiritual motion of the dance.
Elissa-Rikkity. . . . .goodnight
RevRandy. . . . .thank you, miss rikkity
Sharon. . . . .nite rikity
TF88. . . . .thank you rikkity
*** Elissa-Rikkity is now known as Elissa
RevRandy. . . . .cool
Elissa. . . . .that was a surprise! lol
Sharon. . . . .kewl elissa
RevRandy. . . . .indeed
Elissa. . . . .i had no clue what was going to happen
Elissa. . . . .:)
TF88. . . . .:)
JudithG. . . . .{{{{{Elissa}}}}}}
DancingLeaves. . . . .your amazing Elissa
RevRandy. . . . .(hi Carol)
Carol. . . . .hi everyone
RevRandy. . . . .we were just visited by Rikkity herself
Carol. . . . .wow, and I missed it
Elissa. . . . .thanks all... i'll be right back
RevRandy. . . . .tyt (take your time --- or thank you totally)
RevRandy. . . . .some interesting images of being imprisoned by our answers when we do not see choices
RevRandy. . . . .what did it evoke in y'all
DancingLeaves. . . . .for me to take a chill pill and relax *G*
RevRandy. . . . .sounds good
fang. . . . .to try and get past the walls i've built up
RevRandy. . . . .or least see them as walls we have built up, and not part of the "truth" we are trying to hold
fang. . . . .true, walls built after hurt
RevRandy. . . . .for me, it also spoke the futility of my spending great energy on defending what I think is true - if it is true it needs no defense by me
RevAngelsHorizons. . . . .good evening everyone
RevRandy. . . . .hello RAH
RevAngelsHorizons. . . . .hi rev randy
RevRandy. . . . .let me share in a related PtoP (at least I think it is related)
RevRandy. . . . ."The revolution will not come from outside but within, as we
change our
RevRandy. . . . .viewpoints. It's not hiding in the tail of a comet or in the woods of South
RevRandy. . . . .America or in the words of outdated scripture or in Missouri.
RevRandy. . . . ."And any great new vision will have to be able to be expressed in common
RevRandy. . . . .words and images. The idea that it must be complex or obscure is s h i t. The
RevRandy. . . . .ones that will make it are the insights that sound familiar and accessible,
RevRandy. . . . .but which lead to an 'aha' moment and a change of perspective or
RevRandy. . . . .consciousness or awareness. You won't have to wade through it. In reading it
RevRandy. . . . .you will first think it feels both familiar and foreign, but once read it
RevRandy. . . . .will feel as comfortable as an old shoe. You will put it on like any
RevRandy. . . . .garment, but while it appears new it will feel old and you will have been
RevRandy. . . . .transformed by its revelation."
RevRandy. . . . .*
RevRandy. . . . .I also hear this now, after rikkity's words, as meaning that it will not ask me to be defensive of it, or apologetic
RevRandy. . . . .for it is my newness that is there - not its - as I break through my self-created walls
RevRandy. . . . .Does this speak to you?
RevRandy. . . . .hello Ocallah
TF88. . . . .hi O
Ocallah. . . . .hello
DancingLeaves. . . . .((((((((RevRandy)))))))))
RevRandy. . . . .you are all being so quiet?!!
fang. . . . .us quiet lol
Elissa. . . . .amazing lol
DancingLeaves. . . . .makes alot of sense to me....(that doesn't happen often *G*)
Elissa. . . . .lol dl
TF88. . . . .once again Randy, I relate it to a piece of music...
RevRandy. . . . .any particular one TF
TF88. . . . .that over time, more and more understanding comes by exploring that "one thought"
TF88. . . . .and I mean by re-visiting the piece over years and years
RevRandy. . . . .say some more TF
TF88. . . . .and no two musicians will see the "truth" in the piece in quite the same way
RevRandy. . . . .ah yes, TF -
RevRandy. . . . .in fact, just to hear that a certain composition will be played does not tell me what I will hear
Elissa. . . . .o so true randy
RevRandy. . . . .well, back to Miss rikkity
RevRandy. . . . .earlier today we got an interesting piece from her
RevRandy. . . . .and it relates back to what she had said earlier in the week - that we were to talk tonight about truth and about ruth
RevRandy. . . . .(we never know what she means seriously and what is just .... well, her)
RevRandy. . . . .but today this:
RevRandy. . . . ."It's not the same for everyone. For some it is given and for others it is
RevRandy. . . . .assumed and for some decreed. But all who are called Ruth are Ruths. If you
RevRandy. . . . .answer to it then you are Ruth. Get it. And the same for truth. If you
RevRandy. . . . .answer to it, it is truth for you. It's a 2-way street... or 3-way, but you
RevRandy. . . . .couldn't understand that... or 4-way or 5-way. But stick with 2, it's more
RevRandy. . . . .than enough." (3/5/2000)
RevRandy. . . . .if you answer to it....
RevRandy. . . . .just like answering to your name
RevRandy. . . . .your truth is the one you answer to
RevRandy. . . . .so, what truth do you answer to?
RevRandy. . . . .(and that is NOT a rhetorical question)
Elissa. . . . .that's a BIG question!
RevRandy. . . . .a BIG, non Rhetorical question
fang. . . . .i answer to hey you does that count ;)
Elissa. . . . .lol fang you're cute
JudithG. . . . .my truths are very mutable.....they move and transform
RevRandy. . . . .is there one that has stayed around longer than most
* DancingLeaves agrees with Miss Judy
Elissa. . . . .say more about that judith
JudithG. . . . .well, I find MY 'truth' is changeable
JudithG. . . . .not static
JudithG. . . . .and sometimes something I said yesterday is not as true today, in the light of new awareness
TF88. . . . .like that piece of music idea I was attempting to explain
JudithG. . . . .hence, I say to my classes: 'Don't take anything I say on face value.....try it on, see if it fits.....window shop through my class....but don't 'buy' what I say is true.....discern for yourself'
JudithG. . . . .and I take my own advice! LOL
RevRandy. . . . .it may not be in their size
JudithG. . . . .exactly! Or not the right theme for the moment
Elissa. . . . .bravo judith! that's what learning is all about
Elissa. . . . .now if we could only get the school system to do that
fang. . . . .what if your like charlie brown, kind of wishy washy lol
JudithG. . . . .well, Charlie Brown is a DIPLOMAT
JudithG. . . . .he chooses a 'middle' ground
JudithG. . . . .that doesn't mean he 'lives' there
TF88. . . . .it's only others who call him wishy washy anyway
TF88. . . . .that's their truth, not his
JudithG. . . . .he communicates a middle ground
Elissa. . . . .fang, sometimes we need to live in the murky waters i think... see what "pans" out
fang. . . . .sounds like me
JudithG. . . . .he's vanilla!
JudithG. . . . .I make waves....I'm pistachio! LOL
Elissa. . . . .does that mean you're nutty? lol
RevRandy. . . . .or green
TF88. . . . .just as long as you're out of the shell ;)
Elissa. . . . .lol
JudithG. . . . .I am VERY nutty! LOL
JudithG. . . . .I am the family NUT
Sharon. . . . .sometimes u feel like a nut
Sharon. . . . .sometimes...
Elissa. . . . .sometimes you don't
RevRandy. . . . .sometimes I look like a nut
* Sharon :)
RevRandy. . . . .I think that, as JudithG says, just because someone seems to be moving around within many opinions does not mean that s/he does not have a core of personal truths
JudithG. . . . .LOL....I need to keep my 'silly' mouth shut!
Sharon. . . . .((((Judy))))
RevRandy. . . . .never, never, never
RevRandy. . . . .to open oneself up to others is to show one's openness to life
Elissa. . . . .my truths change all the time... i am only sure of what i don't know
JudithG. . . . .exactly, Elissa........ditto!
Elissa. . . . .and not even that really lol
RevRandy. . . . .I don't even know that some times
RevRandy. . . . .lol
JudithG. . . . .cute
Elissa. . . . .but when we say 'truth' we seem to go way bigger than ourselves... as if there were some absolute out there
RevRandy. . . . .to be adrift in the universe, like floating without purpose on the surface of the Dead Sea, is not all that bad
JudithG. . . . .sounds appealing, Randy!
RevRandy. . . . .at least we are then seeing ourselves as part of that great universe - not in control of it
RevRandy. . . . .oooo, it could be so good -
JudithG. . . . .remember the 60's Randy?
Sharon. . . . .heheeh, just barely Judy
RevRandy. . . . .I can't seem to remember them
Elissa. . . . .my truth is my truth, so there :P
Sharon. . . . .tune in, turn on, drop out
JudithG. . . . .there ya go, Sharon!
Sharon. . . . .heheeh, I did member something!
RevRandy. . . . .sharon - is that memory or identification
Sharon. . . . .think it was ingrained in my mind
Sharon. . . . .know I wore love beads a black caftan and moccasins at that time
Sharon. . . . .not much more
RevRandy. . . . .ah - those were the days
* JudithG has a question for Elissa and Randy and all
RevRandy. . . . .a question -yes
Elissa. . . . .o goodie... i like questions
* JudithG is wondering if anyone has been feeling more and more lately 'detached' from earth concerns....such a news events, world scuffles, etc.
JudithG. . . . .and less 'invested' in those issues
JudithG. . . . .but more like, 'this is a process' event
Elissa. . . . .hahaha judy i haven't watched or paid much attention to the news in about 4 years
TF88. . . . .i have judy...as a matter of fact I was thinking about that this morning
Elissa. . . . .definitely!
RevRandy. . . . .I have been feeling that most news has been less connected to the earth .... especially certain candidates
fang. . . . .wish they had a box at the bottom of the ballot box that said none of the above lol
Sharon. . . . .fang, I think they are trying to get that passed
Elissa. . . . .fang i'm not even sure who's running... aren't they all the same person?
Sharon. . . . .all the same group of people elissa
Sharon. . . . .just different faces
fang. . . . .no but don't care if i see another candidate until after the election
JudithG. . . . .well, I mean 'world news' figuratively
JudithG. . . . .like detachment.....more 'ah so' kind of response
RevRandy. . . . .or believing the answers will be found elsewhere than in focusing on those events
JudithG. . . . .I am living there a lot lately......strangely different...like out of control....which is refreshingly freeing
JudithG. . . . .anyone else 'being' there lately?
Elissa. . . . .yes, i understand and yes, i feel that it's a process and i focus on whatever is meaningful and fulfilling to me and what i can do to promote the greater good and let the rest of it go where it will
JudithG. . . . .yes....focus is a big part of the process of detachment
JudithG. . . . .I feel detached, yet fully engaged as well
Nixie. . . . .me too...very much of the time lately
JudithG. . . . .like I am watching a 'movie' out 'there'
Elissa. . . . .i think it has to do with letting go of control, judy... at least it does for me
JudithG. . . . .me too, Elissa
RevRandy. . . . .but I want to control control
Nixie. . . . .yes like I'm kind of an observer
JudithG. . . . .a great freeing 'place' to come from
Elissa. . . . .lol randy
JudithG. . . . .yes, Nix....ditto
Elissa. . . . .RANDY FOR PRESIDENT!!!
RevRandy. . . . .I will not serve if .....oppps
Sharon. . . . .great job if you can get it Randy
RevRandy. . . . .who wants it?????
JudithG. . . . .poor Randy!
Sharon. . . . .not I
Elissa. . . . .not i
RevRandy. . . . .nor I
JudithG. . . . .good.....
JudithG. . . . .LOL
Sharon. . . . .I like to be able to sleep at night
Elissa. . . . .randy stay away from those cute little interns though
Sharon. . . . .hehehe
RevRandy. . . . .interns , where? (Ezwind was my intern last year ..... )
RevRandy. . . . .I am happy right where I am doing what I am doing - maybe that is the same feeling
fang. . . . .hey if i could be voted president my big dogs could run on the white house lawn lol
Elissa. . . . .lol
Sharon. . . . .just remember to keep your hands on the table Randy
Sharon. . . . .(where we can see them)
RevRandy. . . . .who's on the table
TF88. . . . .if randy wants to control...sorry, but he won't get my vote!
Elissa. . . . .tf but all the politicians want control!
TF88. . . . .yes E...and there we have the problem LOL
Elissa. . . . .ah yes
JudithG. . . . .well, at least I am feeling 'not' alone in this detachment thing going on
Elissa. . . . .nope judy, not alone
JudithG. . . . .I am more detached with my children's decisions as well......allowing them more freedom
JudithG. . . . .I love this detachment....like living my life with far 'less' attachments
JudithG. . . . .or preferences
* JudithG reminds us: The GREAT WAY is not difficult for those without preferences'
RevRandy. . . . .it is awesome - like by letting go of feeling like you have to choose everything you actually get more choice
JudithG. . . . .yes, Randy! exactly!
Elissa. . . . .it's very freeing and empowering
JudithG. . . . .when I don't 'make' myself make a decision, I have more choices suddenly appear to me
fang. . . . .but if you have more choices, don't you eventually have to choose? i guess not, not choosing would be a choice
RevRandy. . . . .not to decide is to decide - yes
JudithG. . . . .exactly, fang.......remember, our apathy is a 'vote' for doing nuttin
Nixie. . . . .:)
RevRandy. . . . .I am apathetic, and I don't care
JudithG. . . . .ROFL
Elissa. . . . .fang you make choices, but they can change and grow with you
Nixie. . . . .and loving every minute of it
JudithG. . . . .{{{{{{Randy!}}}}}}}
* JudithG high-fives Randy!
RevRandy. . . . .back to you JudithG
Sharon. . . . .all that fluoride in your water randy
JudithG. . . . .but, look at the great TEETH Randy has!
fang. . . . .it's just i dislike decisions lol
Sharon. . . . .sure
fang. . . . .don't ever know which decision will be right ;)
JudithG. . . . .there are NO 'wrong' decisions
RevRandy. . . . .it doesn't have to be right - it just has to be you
fang. . . . .oh ok
Elissa. . . . .he also has a nice blue suit and great ties :)
Elissa. . . . .looks pretty good on tv
Sharon. . . . .they gave the prisoners fluoride in the cc's
Sharon. . . . .made them apathetic
Sharon. . . . .now WE have fluoride in our water!
Sharon. . . . .go figger!
suwan. . . . .it doesn't really matter does it?
Nixie. . . . .Arsenic too Sharon
JudithG. . . . .there go the almonds!
Sharon. . . . .I filter all my water
Sharon. . . . .I have for years
JudithG. . . . .LOL
* Nixie looking for old lace to put on
JudithG. . . . .I do too....but who's filtering our AIR?
RevRandy. . . . .and now the 11th hour has arrived
JudithG. . . . .NO!
RevRandy. . . . .that's it
suwan. . . . .night Rev thanks again!
JudithG. . . . .oh, pooh!
RevRandy. . . . .YES! (or not)
Elissa. . . . .well folks, it's rainbow song time... but first i want to thank you all for being here tonight for this strange and wonderful discussion :)
JudithG. . . . .{{{{{Randy and Elissa}}}}}} How's Hanna doing?
RevRandy. . . . .how strange was it?
JudithG. . . . .VERY and yet a very 'familiar' discussion too
Elissa. . . . .poor hanna's sick :(
RevRandy. . . . .its all that canadian air
Nixie. . . . .lotta that going around
JudithG. . . . .{{{{{Hanna}}}}}}
RevRandy. . . . .send Hanna good energy
[Elissa SOUND]
Elissa. . . . .!Elissa rainbow.mid :o)
Elissa. . . . .nite everyone! love you all... nuts and not nuts
suwan. . . . .night e
JudithG. . . . .{{{{{Elissa}}}}}}
JudithG. . . . .nutsRus!
Elissa. . . . .((((((suwan))))))
Nixie. . . . .Night E :)
Elissa. . . . .((((((JG))))))
Elissa. . . . .nite nix :)
Sharon. . . . .nite elissa
Nixie. . . . .Nice to see you
suwan. . . . .goodnight everyone
Sharon. . . . .nite randy
JudithG. . . . .so glad I could come, Elissa....out of town next weekend!
Elissa. . . . .i'm glad you guys were here!
Elissa. . . . .nite sillies

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